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Religion: Sometimes Fails in Sickening Ways October 22, 2009

Posted by jetson in Personal.
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This story is a great reason to stay away from certain religious organizations. I am here to tell you that just because a group is religious, does not mean it is a good thing. Just read the story in the link above, and think about what this group of Christians are doing to innocent people. This is an outrage and disgusts me on every level.

These murders were basically ordered by evangelical Christian pastors who believed that these children were witches! Witches? Seriously? In this day and age? All I can say is that when we discover organizations like this, hiding behind Their god and The Bible, we need to treat them as criminal organizations. What if this were a secular child care organization?

Sadly, this is a part of the “spread of Christianity”, like it or not. In remote villages and jungles, according to the article, the competition for evangelism is fierce, and religious groups are competing to gain a foothold. This competition is causing other groups to follow suit, and join in the witch hunts.

I am sure that some people will claim that these organizations are not actually Christian. While I can understand why they might think this, it is impossible to deny that this is being done in the name of Christianity. There’s just no getting around it. If you are a Christian, perhaps you should be praying for these children and their families. For it is in the name of the very religion you follow that this is occurring. For your part, do whatever it takes to denounce this behavior, and this abhorrent form of abuse and murder in the name of your God. Please.



1. sg - October 23, 2009

Here we go again, let’s blame religion for something that a human\humans did.

What about Jeffery Dahmer, are we to take blame for that too, since he glossed over a verse saying being gay is a sin and felt unaccepted so he killed people? Wow that makes a lot of sense.

there you have it, all nice and wrapped up with a bow on top, lets destroy anything that may lead anybody to do evil things.

what happens if it is another human? oops gotta to go back to drawing board.

2. jetson - October 23, 2009

And there you go again not paying attention! Look closely at the title of this blog; did you notice the word “sometimes”? Also, check the very first sentence “certain religious organizations”.

3. sg - October 24, 2009

oh but i do pay attention…because sometimes is referring to religion not to human\humans.

o ye great one ~ please come into wisdom and carefully examine the evidence for it is humans that fail and it is not the word of God that does.

jetson - October 24, 2009

Of course it is referring to religion, that’s exactly the point. If there are religious organizations bent on doing evil, it needs to be pointed out, singled out, and everyone needs to join in denouncing it.

What is the root cause of the 9/11 attacks by Muslim extremists in your opinion? My answer is that these people thought they were following direct orders from their God. They were completely indoctrinated and deluded from birth to death, by adults using their religious beliefs. They were taught that the Quran holds that all infidels shall be killed. I think we both know that what they were taught was a complete and utter lie. Sadly though, these people were under no delusion at all, they were willing to give their own lives for their god. This is precisely why religious dogma and delusions must be ridiculed and scorned by everyone. The only difference between “good” believers and “bad” believers is what they think is true about their god.

Do you think some random group of people just met in a church one day and decided to act like idiots? No, they gathered in a church, made stupid decisions about how to treat other people, and carried out evil in the name of their religious beliefs.

I know you want to separate “bad people” from religion. I know you want to claim that religion is not the cause of the bad things that bad people do, but you would be patently wrong to try to make this claim. I will never claim that ALL religious people are bad just because they follow a certain religion. But I will not allow religion off the hook when it is used by bad people as an excuse to do bad things. These people LITERALLY believe they are acting as their religion dictates (it doesn’t really matter if the religion does or does not dictate what they do.)

4. sg - October 25, 2009

So let’s blame a belief, take for example Hitler and his public statements on their not being a God except for Germany. By this account Hitler was an atheists, he stated in public. I guess we should blame atheism as playing a part in what Hitler did. Correct? we shouldn’t have anyone believing in atheism? This could lead to genocide.

Lets not separate the “bad people” from those that have a belief in atheism or a lack a belief in God. I know you want to claim that atheism is not the cause of bad things that bad people do, but you would be patently wrong to try to make this claim. I will never claim that ALL atheist people are bad just because they don’t believe in God. But I will not allow atheism off the hook……sound familiar.

What I think is worse is that atheists don’t have a consensus of what it means to be atheists? So by your argument you run the risk of being lumped in to that general group.

Don’t get me wrong here, I am in disagreement if these murders were carried out on behave of Christianity. These are ignorant people that have chosen to cherry pick and come up with their own belief system that makes sense only to them.

Here is a quote from Stalin and he was an atheist:
Stalin is quoted as saying “You know, they are fooling us, there is no God…all this talk about God is sheer nonsense”

How about the things below that are associated with atheism? I would be incorrect in associating them with you but not by your agreement from above!

“Communism begins where atheism begins…” (Karl Marx)

“The first requisite for the happiness of the people is the abolition of religion” (Karl Marx)

“I wish to avenge myself against the One who rules above.” (Karl Marx)

“The hellish vapors rise and fill the brain, till I go mad and my heart is utterly changed. See this sword? The prince of darkness sold it to me.” (Karl Marx)

“With disdain I will throw my gauntlet full in the fact of the world and see the collapse of this pygmy giant. Then will I wander god-like and victorious through the ruins of the world. And giving my words an active force, I will feel equal to the Creator.” (Karl Marx)

“Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism.” (attributed to Vladimir I. Lenin)

“Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism.” (V.I. Lenin)

“There are no morals in politics; there is only expedience. A scoundrel may be of use to us just because he is a scoundrel.” (V.I. Lenin)

“We do not fight against believers and not even clergymen. WE FIGHT AGAINST GOD to snatch believers from Him.” (Vechernaia Moskva, a Soviet newspaper)

“Let us drive out the Capitalists from the earth, and God from Heaven!” (early Soviet slogan)

I don’t think you have a very convincing point of view since at the root it is humans that are the cause.

jetson - October 25, 2009

Atheism is NOT a belief system. And quote mining former leaders of communism is a very poor way to make a solid argument. You simply will never be able to show where any of these leaders you bring up are using a dis-belief in a deity in order to do harm. It just does not exist, no matter how hard you try. Many people have tried before you, and all have failed to make this connection.

On the other hand, you can say that it is the people, and not the belief, but there is direct and certain evidence that people have used The Bible to support their actions. This can be proven over and over with very little effort. Just look at slavery as an example.

Your argument has been trotted out by so many that I can only conclude that you may have never actually done any serious research on the matter, but you are simply parroting what others before you have attempted.

If you can link atheism to the evil doings of Hitler, or Stalin, or any other dictator, you would be the first. Good luck!

5. sg - October 25, 2009

Atheism is a belief system, according to other people before you. That is what you have to live with according to your logic not mine.

I don’t have to make any direct connection, just the same one you made, i am just debating what you are saying. I told you your logic was flawed, if you disagree with me then I was right. What do you think this is court, beyond a shadow of a doubt, I was just following your logical statement and it has been debunked by you.

jetson - October 25, 2009

Again, the point is that there is NO EVIDENCE linking non-belief to any atrocities committed by dictators, it just does not exist. If you think it does, then just produce the evidence, so that all of the atheists can stand corrected by your evidence. Atheists love evidence, you just have to show it to them.

Atheism is NOT a belief system at all. I’m sure I will have to repeat this many more times until you understand, but I don’t mind. There is no doctrine, there are no directions, no guidance, no systems, no laws or rules. Again, saying atheism is a belief system is like saying that non-stamp collecting is a hobby.

Theism, as it pertains to Christianity, is a belief in the biblical god of The Bible. It comes with all of the books, the rules, the doctrine, the characters, the sects, the preachers and churches – everything. It is a religious belief system, called Christianity. And because the book exists, it has it’s groups of followers, even though they disagree on points of the book.

Atheists who claim that atheism is a belief system are wrong. It is nothing more than a disbelief in a god or gods. That’s it.

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