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Christian Persecution May 8, 2011

Posted by jetson in Personal.
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Are Christians being “persecuted” around the world? Or maybe in one part of the world, like the U.S.? That’s what some Christians would have us believe. For example, one friend told me that not allowing the Ten Commandments to be hung in a U.S. Courthouse is active “persecution” or restriction of religious freedoms guaranteed in the U.S. Constitution. Removing prayer from public schools is another restriction on religious freedoms. But they are completely missing the point of religious freedom.

There is simply no rule or law that say’s a person cannot pray in a public school. No one in the government is telling people that they are not allowed to practice their religion in a courthouse. What is actually going on, is the removal of government endorsement of a specific religion. That’s why the Ten Commandments cannot be hung in a government courthouse. That’s why public schools, funded by tax paying citizens, cannot endorse a specific religion, by opening school each day with a Christian prayer.

To be sure, there is evidence through recent surveys that people are leaving their religions at a faster rate than in the past. Non-belief is growing, and switching denominations is more popular as well. Younger people are not attending church at the same rate as in the past as well. But I see that as a reflection of personal decisions and values from people who don’t seem to have a need to be told by a church, exactly how they should be living their lives. It may also be the result of the Catholic Priest pedophile scandal, as well as the 9/11 bombings, and resulting ten year “war on terror”, which seems laced with religious ideology as a basis for hate.

One common reply on this issue is that the United States was founded on Judeo-Christian principles and morals. That the founding fathers were Christians, and even held religious services in the Capitol Building long ago. But I say that doesn’t really matter. If we want to stay true to the spirit of this country, we must never allow a specific religion to be endorsed by our government, or in any way forced upon citizens who are not Christian. It makes no difference how many people in this country claim to be Christian. If the founding fathers wanted this to be a “Christian Nation”, they would have explicitly stated so, and they would not have provided a platform where religious freedom was a central idea.

Religion does not make a person better, or morally superior, to others. That takes personal responsibility, courage, and the willingness to accept that we each have a right to be here, and to enjoy our time on this planet without the fear of being looked down upon by someone who claims a moral high ground. This country is great because it allows everyone to believe, worship, and pray to whatever idol they so choose. We’re even allowed to invent a religion if we so need to. It’s time that those Christians who think they are being persecuted, to look in the mirror, and ask themselves what it really means to be a Christian, and stop whining about persecution. Not to mention there are 400,000 Christian churches dotting the United States that prove otherwise!



1. bradley - May 9, 2011

The states did explicitly say so in their state constitutions. The federal government was created by the states to do a specific set of tasks that the individual states were incapable of doing… The #1 restriction on the “federation of states” government was that none of the state religions would have favor in federal business.

Your history is as bad as your hate toward christians.

jetson - May 9, 2011

I welcome debate and discussion. And, for a brief moment, as I read your reply, I was thinking about what I wrote, and how I would consider your statement and perhaps adjust my knowledge and thinking.

Unfortunately, you decided to end your reply with what amounts to a bold faced lie about me. I could easily admit that I am not a history expert. However, I made no comment on state governments, and their role in the issue I was discussing, so I would be willing to be educated.

I suppose I could go on a mission to point out that Jesus would certainly not appreciate people lying on his behalf. Especially people who claim to have read his book, and believe him to be the Messiah. But after considering it for a moment, I realized that your bold faced, unsupported lie about me, could very easily be supported in scripture, so I would be out of line claiming otherwise.

I don’t recall if you have ever proclaimed yourself to be a good Christian, but if that is true, it might be a good time to apologize to me for your unfounded lie.

2. bradley - May 9, 2011

I’m sorry. I’ll be more specific.

Your blatant misrepresentation of history for your own personal gain (or simple ignorance), is as bad as your public display of personal hatred toward those you deem adversaries and unworthy of freedom of thought and social inclusion.

Befuddled2 - May 10, 2011

You really should read more about the early history of our nation and the Constitution.

1) Many of our founders (one of the most prominent of which was James Madison) felt that the rights put into the Constitution should apply to the states too – that includes those separating the church and state. It was very narrowly defeated in Congress. Later the 14th amendment eventually took care of issue.

2) The fact that this was needed was vividly illustrated when most slaveholding states made preaching abolition and/or distributing abolitionist literature a crime punishable by prison.

3) You migh also want to consider that as time went by – and not all that much time either – all the state constitutions changed so that they too separated church and state.

4) There was a great deal of criticism about the Constitution over the fact that it did NOT mention God or Jesus. Not even in a general sense. There were several attempts to change this but all were defeated. That includes all the way into the early 20th century.

Finally let me state that I do not see anything in this blog promoting hatred. It is an opinion contray to your own, but that does not make it hateful.

I would suggest that you consider the words of Matthew 7:3 New International Version ““Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?”

3. jetson - May 9, 2011

Yeah, we’re done. Another juvenile display of lying and personal attacks. Thanks for playing.

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